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  1. Es una le1stima que en la asamblea no pudie9ramos prudnofizar mas en posibles nuevas estrategias no violentas.Pensaba que habeda un consenso general sobre esta cuestif3n y me encuentro con preguntas como si unas pintadas son violencia o insultar a la policeda. Como si el resto fue9ramos estfapidos y no entendie9ramos perfectamente que es o no violencia.Como si no supie9ramos en que momento una pintada puede ser algo lfadico y en que momento puede ser una provocacif3n infatil.Como si no supie9ramos que los insultos hacia cualquiera persona parten mas del odio que de la reivindicacif3n de nada. Ya sabemos que a los policedas tampoco les van quitar el suef1o.No es especialemente grave pero evidentemente pueden generar escenarios que no nos convienen.Tambie9n me encontre9 con gente aclare1ndonos que el sistema es violento y que puede serlo mas. Y otros que afirmaban tener mucha experiencia de la violencia del sistema.Soy padre dos hijos pago un alquiler de alucinar como otros una hipoteca curro para sacar a mi gente adelante junto con mi pareja no se si dentro de unos meses las cosas me ire1n como ahora o no y cuesta llegar a fin de mes bfQue9 les hace creer que no conozco la violencia del sistema?Gente de1ndonos lecciones de lo mala que es la policeda… todos tenemos internet y muchos ademe1s lo hemos sufrido ya me1s de una vez.Tambie9n habeda comentarios de que haredamos cuando nos quitaran la tele o el coche… bueno coche no tengo… la tele no la miro mucho. No creo que nadie de los que estaba en esa asamblea estuviera por la idea de liarse a tortas por quedarse sin su tele su coche o su lo que sea…..La situacif3n se convirtif3 en surrealista cada vez que alguien hablaba a favor de la NO VIOLENCIA habeda un consenso casi general. Menos un pequef1o grupo. Pero a su vez ese grupo afirmaba que no optaban por la violencia.bfCue1l era la discusif3n entonces? Despue9s argumentaban con datos histf3ricos en contra de la metodologeda pero decedan seguirla. Salieron todas las calamidades de la humanidad actuales y pasadas. Y lo malos que siempre habedan sido los malos. Y bueno habeda que ser malo  con los malos…. Una locura.-Nos hacedan preguntas micrf3fono en mano pero si respondedamos afirmaban que no respete1bamos su turno interrumpieron continuamente los turnos de otros con gritos e incluso insultos.Una sef1ora se paseaba en medio insultando a aquellos que no les gustaba su cara poniendo verde a todo el mundo. Lo cierto que ese grupo pareceda pasarlo realmente mal en el 15M y me pregunto para que9 tanto sufrimiento.Si no les gusta la metodologeda si no le gusta la gente si no le gusta nada… bfPor que9 nos acompaf1an? Quize1s este9n de acuerdo en los objetivos. Bueno podredan luchar por ellos a su manera desvincule1ndose… despue9s de todo hay otras organizaciones y colectivos que quize1s representen mejor sus aspiraciones en cuanto a los medios y en cuanto a los objetivos.Si por ultimo hay aqued algo que les gusta y este1n por eso… les pedireda que hicieran un esfuerzo para que se lo note1ramos por que se les ve tan enfadados… que yo no se como relacif3name con ellos.Tengo la sensacif3n que cuando estoy ante un policeda.” Cuidado con los que dices” “ no te muestres agresivo que este salta” A ver si de tanto luchar con dragones os habe9is convertido en uno.No os lo digo a mala fe es algo que experimento y que quize1s no see1is conscientes de que lo genere1is al menos a med.Yo hubiera preferido hablar de contrarrestar las continuas provocaciones que desde los poderes nos mandaredan para sacarnos de la veda no Violenta. Definir las cosas en las que generamos escenarios propicios para nuestra metodologeda No Violenta y en cuales les hacemos el juego. Hubiera preferido hablar de acciones directas no violentas creativas posibles ante la creciente escalada de la violencia policial.O de cf3mo hacer cuando uno se siente tan violentado que sin querer puede generar algo que no le conviene al conjunto.Yo hubiera preferido hablar sobre la la libertad de “accif3n” versus “ojo con lo que haces que igual jodes la labor del conjunto”Me hubiera gustado hablar sobre Libertad Respeto y Conciencia.Sobre te1cticas sobre estrategia de los poderes versus estrategia nuestra…Me alegro ver que en general hay un firme compromiso con la NO VIOLENCIA y que la mayoreda no solo es por cuestif3n te1ctica sino que hay mucha gente que cree en ello de corazf3n.Tambie9n me alegro ver tambie9n gente que no se defineda como no violencia pero que entendedan el intere9s te1ctico.El otro discurso la verdad no lo entended… las formas me rayaban bastante quize1s por eso me costaba la escucha activa. Pero me pareceda esquizofre9nico.Era un no soy violento pero la violencia puede ser buena y yo no creo en la no violencia pero creo que es una te1ctica aunque quisiera poder generar con libertad escenarios mas propicios para ella…Espero que para la prf3xima pueda ser.

    • Nepf4, vocea detectou muito bem a formae7e3o de uma poatta que se considera de alguma forma propriete1ria da twitosfera e portanto donos dessa cultura e concordo que isso ne3o existe.Um bom exemplo do que vocea este1 apontando se3o as diversas discussf5es sobre a (indesejada) orkutizae7e3o do Twitter. Indesejada por quem? O perfil do ambiente (prefiro chamar redes sociais de ambientes) e9 definido por seus frequentadores.Aqui no Rio temos o conceito de Baixo . Tem Baixo tudo: Bebea, Vovf3, GLS etc.Os lugares se3o, obviamente, lugares e e9 a frequeancia que define suas caracteredsticas culturais.Entendo sua irritae7e3o com o lance das esferas, mas he1 sim blogosferas, twittosferas e, como gosto de chamar, digitosferas ou mesmo memeesferas (que incluem o papo de bar que ocorre offline).Onde quer que um grupo de pessoas se refana forma-se um Baixo ou uma Esfera.Por isso ne3o he1 MNSesfera, emailesfera ou Chatesfera pois ne3o se3o espae7os coletivos e sim espae7os privados e quase individuais.Em todo caso concordo que a maioria se refere e0s esferas como se fossem as pessoas e ne3o os locais e isso e9 um beco sem saedda.O Twitter pode nem vir a ser o Baixo definitivo. Pode aparecer outro lugar mais atraente para onde a maioria ire1. Aquela twittosfera continuare1 ali e a limitosfera (para mim a principal caracteredstica do Twitter e9 estar no limite entre online e offline) pode se mover para outro lugar carregando as pessoas que transitam intensamente entre online e offline. Veremos.Tenho dito a torto e a direito que uma nova cultura este1 surgindo, uma em que importantes pilares da atual estrutura social, poledtica, econf4mica e mesmo cultural e moral se tornare3o irreconhecedveis, mas he1 o que ne3o muda, o que na verdade este1 finalmente sendo resgatado das brumas do esquecimento e creio que e9 essa cultura que vc diz que ne3o muda: Humanos se3o seres sociais.Sejam baixos , esferas ou points todos se3o lugares onde as pessoas se encontram, se aproximam umas das outras. A diferene7a e9 que nos aproximamos de muito mais gente Telefone Ate9 uns poucos anos a gente sf3 se relacionava com quem estava perto, ente3o veio o telefone e passamos a poder conversar com os amigos e familiares distantes.Agora podemos conversar com centenas de pessoas em vez de meia dfazia em uma mesa de bar, mas a cultura e9 a mesma: conversas como as que tednhamos ao redor da fogueira enquanto fazedamos pinturas rupestres sobre a cae7ada do dia

    • Quem cria cultura? Se3o as fenamrertas ou se3o os humanos q usam as fenamrertas, q de3o e0 elas determinada ultilizae7ao?Sendo os humanos, logo, a cultura permanece, desde os primordios da existencia humana numa linha contednua de existencia paralela a estes, sofrendo intervene7oes, transformae7oes, adaptae7oes ao longo de seu convedvio com seu maior interventor, numa simbiose, numa relae7ao de coexisteancia.cultura

    • Nessa linha de aproximae7e3o codmisunor/empresa, vejam mate9ria da c9poca Negf3cios, de junho:“As empresas erram”Tratar as redes sociais de maneira semelhante e0 meddia tradicional e9 um equedvoco, afirma o especialista americano em tendeancias e futuro dos negf3cios.( )Nos prf3ximos anos, o cotidiano das empresas devere1 ser profundamente afetado por uma nova forma de organizae7e3o, que priorizare1 a comunicae7e3o e o trabalho realizado em redes colaborativas, chamadas worknets. Isso tambe9m pressupf5e um relacionamento franco com os codmisunores, que ne3o pode ser controlado pelas empresas.( )c9 este o cene1rio projetado pelo americano Christopher Meyer, especialista em tendeancias, presidente da empresa de pesquisa para o futuro dos negf3cios Monitor Networks de 2004 a 2009 e colaborador da Harvard Business Review. “Ne3o he1 mais como voltar atre1s. As empresas bem-sucedidas no futuro sere3o aquelas que aprenderem a lidar com as novas ferramentas oferecidas pela tecnologia”,( ) A contratae7e3o de funcione1rios jovens que entendam de redes sociais pode ser um bom comee7o.( ). Oue7am seus funcione1rios nativos digitais, porque eles tere3o novas ideias. Antes, o mais comum era que nenhuma grande mudane7a ocorresse durante a carreira de um gestor. Agora este1 claro que tudo o que vocea aprendeu na escola ne3o sere1 verdadeiro pelo resto de sua vida. Acredito que o alinhamento em redes vai exigir tambe9m profissionais mais abertos. Alguns veem os negf3cios como um jogo de tudo ou nada, onde duas pessoas ne3o podem sair ganhando. Aqueles que acreditam que a colaborae7e3o cria um valor novo que pode ser compartilhado sere3o mais bem-sucedidos do que aqueles que dizem que existe uma fanica torta a ser partilhada.( )O acesso universal e0s informae7f5es torna muito mais fe1cil pressionar as grandes empresas. Para lidar com isso, as companhias devem estar abertas a ouvir o que este3o falando delas fora de suas paredes e estabelecer uma estrate9gia coerente para decidir o que elas consideram de sua responsabilidade e o que ne3o.( )A indfastria promove a infraestrutura que ajuda os codmisunores a conversarem e, ao mesmo tempo, e9 beneficiada, porque pode ouvir seus anseios.( )Este3o fazendo muita coisa errada, ao tratar as redes sociais quase que da mesma maneira como tratam a meddia tradicional. Geralmente, he1 uma disputa entre o marketing, que procura estabelecer uma conversa franca com o codmisunor, e o jureddico e o comercial da empresa, que se3o contra esse die1logo. As companhias correm como uma manada para as redes sociais, mas ainda ne3o sabem o que realmente e9 eficaz. Deveriam comee7ar de fato com a perspectiva de que tere3o um die1logo franco com o codmisunor, sobre o qual ne3o team o controle.( )Outra profisse3o a surgir pode ser a do constituency manager, executivo response1vel por gerenciar as e1reas de relae7e3o com os clientes, ( )Uma e1rea que com certeza este1 longe da maturidade e9 a da tecnologia de colaborae7e3o. Ela continua a mudar muito rapidamente e ne3o vejo o fim disso. Acho que tecnologias elaboradas de realidade virtual se3o complexas e ate9 agora ne3o parecem ter funcionado. As wikis aparentemente este3o tendo bons resultados, assim como os grupos de discusse3o.

      • Que belo tabefe, hein Nepf4?Seria eeuspidtz dizer que discordo que e9 necesse1rio resgatar a geste3o da sabedoria (resgatar ou criar? A gente teve alguma civilizae7e3o se1bia?), mas estou entre as pessoas que enxergam que estamos em uma grande virada cultural e ate9 evolutiva.Seu post pede um post inteiro como resposta Vou tentar opinar sucintamente aqui e escrever algo mais elaborado depois.Antes de mais nada o que tenho para dar e9 apenas a opinie3o de um analista de sistemas e consultor em geste3o do conhecimento que e9 apaixonado pela conscieancia e arte humanas.Tenho dito para todo mundo que estamos diante de um passo evolutivo comparte1vel ao surgimento da fala ente3o meu primeiro impulso e9 rejeitar o que vc disse.Por outro lado uma coisa e9 o movimento que nossa espe9cie este1 fazendo coletivamente que um dia podere1 criar uma sociedade em que quase todos vivere3o em torno do conhecimento e da sabedoria (adorei essa ide9ia desde que a ouvi no seu Gengibre), mas hoje o que temos, vc tem raze3o, e9 uma triste exposie7e3o de arroge2ncia e injustie7as.Talvez eu seja um pouco ingeanuo, mas acredito que essas tecnologias que este3o surgindo porque he1 um impulso coletivo em diree7e3o a um novo paradigma que ne3o e9 industrial ou consumista e pode ser caracterizado pelo conhecimente e, quem sabe, a sabedoria.Seja como for tecnologia realmente ne3o faz absolutamente nada! Ela e9 instrumento. A gente tem que saber como use1-la.Aqu vem a queste3o que mais me perturba e para a qual ne3o tenho resposta: O que podemos fazer para alimentar uma nova era onde o conhecimento e a sabedoria estejam no centro das nossas vidas e possamos construir um mundo justo, ecologicamente equilibrado, em que as diferene7as sejam admiradas e ne3o apenas toleradas?

    • Parabe9ns pelo texto. Ele retrata como o pviror era consolidado e como as modernas ferramentas de contefado e de relacionamentos je1 alteram o rumo dos acontecimentos. Je1 estamos no limiar do novo patamar civilizatf3rio e esta inexorabilidade determina por arrasto, o rumo dos participantes ativos e passivos. Sem dfavidas os retardate1rios sere3o surpreendidos por equae7f5es de solue7e3o de vidas que ne3o me atrevo enunciar, mas que e seguramnente sere3o muito mais complexas e severas que todas as anteriores.Se por um lado a rede pode ser uma expresse3o de democracia, por outro lado, ela dita regras e organiza e faculta a acessibilidade, a interoperabilidade, a escalabilidade, daed os encontros dos interesses convergentes que exprimem (re3o) os centros / ledderes do Novo Poder. Como ele sere1 utilizado ? A rede tere1 capacidade de auto regular-se ou sere1 induzida pelos detentores do Poder que dela emana ?Das hordas primitivas ate9 agora percorremos um longo caminho. Agora as ferramentas de geste3o inteligente do conhecimento e dos relacionamentos catapultam os potenciais antes armazenados para inconcebedveis patamares de difuse3o, propagae7e3o e disseminae7e3o de padrf5es e resultados pre1aticos, cuja estabilidade ficare1 condicionada a propria interpretae7e3o e permaneancia de valores e referencias criados no DNA do processo. Novos homens e novas feie7f5es e comportamentos da Sociedade ou vice-versa.De qualquer forma todos je1 estamos sendo envolvidos pelo mundo digital e adotando em diferentes este1gios de conscieancia consolidae7f5es de natureza imperceptedvel e difusa e outras materiais, os insumos, bens, produtos e servie7os que realimentam o ciclo que escancara-se em aberturas.

    • Mudando um pouco o foco e pegando o ganhco do rastro dos livros aproveito para indicar o site http://www.conhecaolivreiro.com.br que este1 super legal e onde conseguiremos trocar informae7f5es sobre os livros je1 lidos, nossos favoritos e os que queremos ler! Ale9m da troca colaborativa de comente1rios, informae7f5es e da possibilidade de criae7e3o de comunidades e etc! Se entrarem le1 podem me procurar como amiga Cristiana Tonassi ainda ne3o cadastrei todos os livros que je1 li e todos os que quero ler mas estou fazendo isso aos poucos!Beijos!

    • Nepf4, vou radicalizar (um pouco): ne3o esitxe blog de empresa ! Porque se for, aed ne3o e9 blog , e9 outra coisa qualquer, como um whitepaper de produtos/servie7os, daed ne3o estranha o fato das pessoas terem medo de escrever sem a garantia de estar 100% certinho Para ser blog ou, para ser die1logo, tem que ser pessoal pois sf3 pessoas dialogam, empresas publicam / fazem declarae7f5es / etc..Ente3o, talvez, esse mundo 2.0 ne3o pode ser dirigido pelas empresas, tem que ter raiz pessoal. Cabe e0s empresas, no me1ximo, darem um mednimo de liberdade para que se crie um ambiente propedcio para que o clima 2.0 se espalhe e dea frutos (penso o mesmo para o assunto inovae7e3o que alie1s, acho que tem tudo a ver).

    • Devo ter entendido eardro, e, portanto, je1 aviso logo. Mas acho que quando penso em Twittosfera penso apenas em uma espe9cie de coletivo de twitteiros . Penso no que este primeiro grupo de usue1rios, os que este3o desbravando a ferramenta, este3o fazendo com ela. O uso que este3o dando, que criaram, apenas isso. Ne3o penso em um ambiente fechado nem em algo restrito. Acho que e9 apenas a maneira pela qual nos referimos a este ambiente que, em pouco tempo, ire1 se fundir com outros.Pronto, agora vocea je1 pode desconstruir meu pensamento!

    • Nepf4, eis aqui a minha primeira pastogem num blog. Apf3s a sua aula no MBKM, fiquei pensando muito sobre todas as discussf5es que tivemos, sobre como a sociedade este1 evoluindo e, principalmente, como nf3s tambe9m evoluedmos, sem muitas vezes nos darmos conta disso. Estamos imergidos em uma engrenagem de compromissos, rotinas e procedimentos, e muitas vezes acabamos ne3o olhando para as coisas que nos cercam.Vejo o quanto e9 necesse1rio pararmos e olharmos ao nosso redor e, da mesma forma, tambe9m e9 necesse1rio olharmos para nf3s mesmos, pois a mudane7a sf3 e9 notada quando ela je1 aconteceu. c9 de grande importe2ncia nos questionarmos sempre sobre o quea estamos fazendo, ou seja, o que estamos fazendo com o nosso tempo, e como estamos fazendo, como estamos usando este tempo.A partir da sua aula, me dei conta de que ne3o estou inserida no ambiente 2.0 e comecei a me preocupar, pois senti a impresse3o de estar ficando para tre1s. Eu tambe9m concordo com vocea que todos nf3s somos blogueiros, muitos ate9 ne3o sabem disso, como eu ne3o sabia! Mas olhando um pouco para o passado, me dei conta de que je1 fazia blogs na adolesceancia, alie1s quem e9 que nunca teve ou que nunca respondeu a um “caderninho de enquete”, onde eram escritas ve1rias perguntas, uma por pe1gina, nos mais variados assuntos, desde informae7f5es e gostos pessoais (como nome, idade, cor favorita, cantor favorito, etc) ate9 informae7f5es sobre a opinie3o de cada um acerca de uma determinada queste3o em evideancia na e9poca. Ale9m deste, tambe9m havia o chamado “caderno de recordae7f5es”, todo colorido, alguns ate9 com fotos, no qual vocea pedia para que seus amigos lhe deixassem uma mensagem.Esses eram os blogs de alguns anos atre1s e, com certeza, posso afirmar que je1 fui uma blogueira, que je1 circulei meus caderninhos pelo bairro e pela escola toda, que je1 escrevi em muitos caderninhos tambe9m, o que preciso fazer e9 voltar a pegar o jeito e mudar as ferramentas!

      • Nepf4, olha eu aqui de novo, te admirando.Concordo com Emanuella, muito bom.Temos de ser Relevantes!Melhor, temos que gerar otours Relevantes!Mas quanto a letras, creio que hoje devemos olha-le1s com ceticismo.Inclusive: Ved seus videos, muito bons, parabe9ns!Adorei o cabee7a quadrada Hahaha! Temos muitos por aed Acredita-se que hoje haja um grande preconceito com o livro,acredito que o preconceito existe quanto a educae7e3o, sendoo livro, somente um dos me9todos de aprendizado. Bruno Eduardo Goodma de Souza

      • Fe1bio, sumido, saaddues.Gostei disso, Enfim, acho que a nova lf3gica vai acontecer queiram ou ne3o, mas cada um tere1 o seu tempo ou para digered-la ou para engoled-la .c1gua 2.0 mole em pedra 1.0 dura..tanto bate ;) Os agentes de mudane7a este3o se expandindo, believe!abcs,Nepf4.

    • Parabe9ns pela coragem de eeresvcr isso. Perfeito quando vocea diz que fez uma prova que vocea se daria 10. c9 isso que no fim das contas importa.Agora, sere1 que ne3o passou pela sua cabee7a que a banca talvez simplesmente ne3o tenha entendido o que vocea escreveu? E por isso preferiu ne3o arriscar? Sere1 que vocea de certa forma ne3o este1 mais atualizado que a banca? Ne3o que tenha ocorrido neste caso especedfico, mas je1 vi isso acontecer ve1rias outras vezes. Na fanica banca para professor na qual participei, na nossa e1rea de CI, um professor da banca me criticou veementemente pq citei a wikipedia(!). Como algue9m que atua na CI ne3o compreende isso? Pra mim ficou claro que ele ne3o entendia o que eu estava dizendo. E aed, pacieancia.De qualquer forma, sua contribuie7e3o para a CI na minha opinie3o e9 mais importante do que a de muitos professores estabelecidos e tenho certeza de que quando vocea se tornar professor podere1 contribuir muito mais.Parabe9ns!

    • Acho que ficou claro no seu texto, mas ne3o custa reafirmar: meddia nesse caso ne3o se rerfee a quem dirige as ageancias de meddia, mas e0s possibilidades estrutura das formas de comunicae7e3o, ne3o e9?Quer dizer, ne3o se trata de dizer que somos marionetes das ageancias de notedcia, mas que toda a cultura humana vai sendo moldada conforme desenvolvemos novas formas de comunicae7e3o e portanto de meddia.Gosto de todos os seus textos que leio, mas esse e9 um dos meus preferidos.Vale entender melhor como funciona esse choque cognitivo Confesso que ainda me deparo com mais dfavidas que entendimento (certezas a gente nunca tem) nessa e1rea.

    • Gostei muito deste post, Nepf4. Eu e0s vezes demoro para piabuclr alguma coisa no meu blog porque fico pensando demais sobre o texto. De repente, o melhor mesmo seria publice1-lo e ir vendo no que que de1, melhorando depois. As pessoas team uma cobrane7a grande em cima de si mesmas e dos outros tambe9m. Ne3o acho que devamos assassinar a ledngua e sair cometendo erro atre1s de erro, mas isso ne3o pode mesmo se tornar um obste1culo ao dinamismo, e0 fluidez que tanto combina com a Internet e com a e9poca que vivemos. As aulas de portugueas extrapolam, concordo. Costumo dizer que falou ou escreveu, o cara entendeu, ente3o a comunicae7e3o foi satisfatf3ria ne3o importa se houve erros de concorde2ncia, de regeancia etc etc. Especialmente quando queremos nos comunicar com pessoas em uma ledngua em que ne3o somos fluentes, precisamos ter esse desprendimento. Muita gente tem vergonha, por exemplo, de falar ingleas com um estrangeiro, com medo de cometer erros. Mas aed ne3o fala nada? Ne3o e9 pior? Perde-se muito com essa vergonha bjs!

      • Allan, Leonardo e all, complementando o post sugrio para quem quer, de fato, acompanhar o mercado e abrir cabee7a:- Revista c9poca Negf3cios;- Revista HSM Management;- Valor, parte de tecnologia, revista de sexta Eu fim de semana sempre tem algo bacana, como especial com MacLuhan. (pode assinar sf3 online)Ainda, aed e9 meu particular, mas compartilho:Folha Domingo: Gleiser, Suzana Ombudsman, Gullar;Globo: Wisnick (se1bado), Bosco (quinta), Hermano (sexta). E Magnolii (eventual), tem tambe9m a blogueira de cuba, aos domingos, acho que de 15 em 15 dias.Twitter, pessoas que fazem diferene7a por aqui:Gil Giardelli, Martha Gabriel, Luli Radfahrer, Silvio Meira.Le1 fora:Clay Shirky, Castells, Le9vy e Davenport.c9 o meu radar, deixando de citar mais gente, mas sf3 para ser bem sinte9tico.Algue9m acrescentaria algo?Nepf4.

    • Vinicius, legal seu depoimento.Temos essa iluse3o mesmo de dois moduns.E talvez seja isso que deixe as pessoas com essa vergonha 1.0 aflorada, o que meus amigos ve3o dizer?Mas, he1 na rede um dado interessante, ela traz luz na sombra.E isso vale para tudo, desde empresas, governos e na vida de cada um.Esse lance de viver o lado A de um jeito e o B de outro, e9 algo que criticamos no outro, mas no fundo vivemos.O N. Rodrigues ate9 dizia: Se todo mundo souber da vida privada de todo mundo, ningue9m mais vai falar com ningue9m . A privacidade hoje e9 preservar o que ne3o queremos do lado A e do Lado B, mas e9 preciso ter coereancia entre os dois A pensar mais..Valeu!

    • Nepf4, muito interessante essa coisa de isomluipnar os tedmidos e calados. Como falante e intrometido, me senti sufocado, como poucas vezes, numa sala de aula e, acredite, gostei. Trata-se de desoprimir o oprimido e para isso oprimir o desoprimido . Numa aula o tempo e9 limitado, e9 preciso ceder o espae7o. Vocea provoca os tedmidos, imagine como ficam os falantes. Exercitei muito o ouvir. Na Internet o papo e9 diferente petabytes este3o sobrando aguardando os caracteres, a voz (adorei o Gengibre), os veddeos ne3o existe disputa pelo tempo. He1 tempo e espae7o para todos. Todo tedmido deveria pensar em ter um blog: expressar-se colaborar compartilhar por aqui os falantes ne3o ocupam todo o espae7o!

    • Nepf4,Esse conceito de tlgoneocia congnitiva ainda este1 meio confuso para mim. mas ontem aconteceu um lance que acho que tem a ver com isso, me diga. Minha TV da sala, Philips comprada em 2005 pifou, do nada. Veio dois pensamentos na hora:1 Sere1 que vale a pena consertar? Melhor entrar na internet e ver o que este3o recomendando e as promoe7f5es, na Copa sempre he1 promoe7f5es de TV.2 Lembrei que a TV do meu quarto, uma Mitshubishi que foi comprada perto da Copa 1994 e veio com garantia ate9 a Copa de 98. Estamos na Copa de 2010 e ela nunca deu defeito. Pensei: Vou comprar outra Mitsubishi e preciso divulgar isso no site deles.Eu ne3o consigo mais me imaginar comprando nada sem consultar a internet, e9 isso que vocea chama de tlgoneocia congnitiva?

    • Nepf4,Parabe9ns pela coragem de reevalr aquilo que muitos escondem. Ne3o entendo que movimento e9 esse que vem ocorrendo na Academia em nosso paeds. He1 um meas tive uma experieancia desastrosa com a comisse3o editorial de uma revista e0 qual submeti um texto. Abriram para submisse3o aceitando um geanero textual e me devolveram dois pareceres apontando falhas que seriam esperadas de outro e claro, rejeitando meu texto. Durante minha argumentae7e3o, em que apontava a falha boe7al deles, removeram do site da revista as normas em que ficava provada minha raze3o de critice1-los. Mas, (que tolice a deles!) um blog havia publicado as normas na edntegra. Tive de praticamente esfregar a pe1gina na cara virtual deles .Sem argumentos ve1lidos, insinuaram que eu seria inexperiente e ate9 que desconhecesse as caracteredsticas do texto acadeamico, demonstrando total falta de respeito com um colega e, obviamente uma acusae7e3o sem provas. Nada mais me restou a fazer ale9m de sugerir que visitassem meu Lattes e, em seguida, acuse1-los de cometer falhas e9ticas graves. Quanto aos pareceristas, declarei apenas que foram induzidos a erro.Comee7o a acreditar que estamos vivendo tempos de autismo acadeamico, grave sedndrome que impede que os pesquisadores olhem para outros lugar ale9m de seus prf3prios umbigos. Essa sedndrome sf3 gera repetie7e3o, jamais inovae7e3o o que vocea, infelizmente, constatou no concurso descrito.Tenha minha solidariedade.Ze9PS: Acabo de me lembrar que a experieancia que narrei foi a segunda de mesma natureza em menos de um ano. Acho que este1 virando cultura .

    • Ole1 Nepf4!Fiquei um pouco confuso sobre o que vocea falou sobre Nunca vioevemrs sem poder e a ligae7e3o disso com os cf3digos fechados necesse1rios ao poder. Ao mesmo tempo, no post anterior A Geste3o do Desconhecimento no faltimo pare1grafo: c9 preciso de um poder superior 2.0, que consiga aliar a Cieancia e a c9tica, o respeito ao desconhecido, sem crendices, para que possamos estabelecer pare2metros de uma nova humanidade menos individualista e mais solide1ria. Bom, na minha interpretae7e3o a primeira citae7e3o onde os cf3digos fechados sempre existire3o (e e9 como hj acontece) parece muito mais com o poder 1.0 , individualista, orientado ao lucro, gane2ncioso e corrupto; do que o que vc explana na segunda citae7e3o.Parece que este poder superior 2.0 ne3o passa de utopia, pois sempre seremos influenciados (ou controlados se preferir) por um poder que manteam cf3digos fechados e promovem a geste3o do desconhecimento, assim como as religif5es. c9 isso mesmo?

      • Lilian,tenho caminhado na diree7e3o de que he1 muito de lixo naqluio que chamamos de mente.Agimos mais baseado no passado, nas tradie7f5es, nos dogmas, naqluio que chamamos de religie3o, sem, entretanto, estar em contato direto com o presente.Isso nos leva a ne3o-relae7e3o, a nos acharmos nf3s e aqueles se3o eles.A ne3o olhar para o outro como outro com suas diferene7as, ne3o de pensamento, mas enquanto seres diferentes na esseancia;Aed, se inicia a violeancia e tudo e9 consequeancia, pois comee7am as divisf5es de paedses, rae7as, religif5es, etnias .Tudo muito mais baseado no passado e ne3o no presente.Que dizes?Grato pelo retorno,Nepf4.

    • Fabiana, me mandou este longo email, que me dexiou deveras tonto Compartilho:Cocordo com a sua abordagem Nepo e coloco duas coisinhas como complementae7f5es:Nessa parte, acho que vc pulou algo – Informae7f5es tef3ricas – se3o aquelas que lidam com a fatos para dar um certo significado e aborda questf5es de sobreviveancia, de classificae7e3o de diferentes fenf4menos, que nos ajudam a sobreviver no mundo e a compreender as coisas mais prazer.ArrumeiAcrescentaria que no conhecimento tef3rico a caracteredstica e9 a interpretae7e3o, relacionamento entre conceitos, julgamento de valor, busca de significado e tentativa de encontrar e relacionar causas, fatores e resultados que “ordenem” os fatos em determinado sentido, lf3gica, sob algum fundamento Ne3o sei se chamaria de informae7e3o. Acho que seria mais adequado “tipos de conhecimento”, ne3o?Meio epistemolf3gico demais?Talvez conhecimento amplie um pouco mesmo, a pensar, o que vale e9 o ordenamento.Nessa linha, acrescentaria que o “conhecimento filosf3fico”, como o tef3rico, se baseia na faculdade do intelecto e nas habilidades cognitivas de relacionar fatores, causas etc, mas indo ale9m. Questionando significados e crene7as mais ligados e0 existeancia e a conceitos mais abstratos mesmo mas a fronteira pode ser teanue entre teoria X filosofia. Seria a teoria uma tentativa de explicae7e3o baseada em fatos e na raze3o e a filosofia a busca de questf5es mais profundas sem necessidade de explicae7f5es factuais? O que Marx e Sf3crates diriam disso?Bom, a filosofia e9 uma questionadora de conceitos, teorias, verdades, sensos comuns as teorias se3o mais pre1ticas, importantes, pois nos ajudam a viver e os fatos, as coisas da vida, os acasos, que validam ou ne3o as teorias,.A filosofia, ou melhor, o estudo da cieancia, papel da filosofia tambe9m, nos ajudaria, aed sim de forma epistemolf3gica a ver que as as teorias se3o te3o mutantes quanto os fatos, pore9m para menos gente e de forma mais lenta, por isso essa vise3o de cima, mas todas estariam dentro de um estudo racional apesar de que a base da filosofia, desde Sf3crates e9 Conhece-te a ti mesmo , e isso implica o conjunto e ne3o apenas a raze3o.Ne3o concordo muito com essa parte mas entendo o que vocea quis diser – “a filosofia se mante9m nos textos, na fala dos grandes pensadores que abordam questf5es maiores, movimentos macros, e9 isso?.Sim, isso mesmo. “As informae7f5es filosf3ficas se3o constituintes, pouco mudam, este3o coladas na nossa placa me3e, se3o invisedveis, se3o da ordem da super-estrutura, mexem com movimentos macros.” – Mas acho que ne3o existe nada que ne3o mude – veja qtas releituras filosf3ficas temos por aed, se bem que ne3o temos produzido tantos Sf3crates, Foucaults, Sartres etc.E acho que he1 muito pouco “herdado” nessa placa –me3e Como vc diz, de acordo com a psicologia, antropologia e sociologia, vemos que a maior parte da nossa estrutura de vise3o de mundo e crene7as veam mesmo da famedlia, educae7e3o, comunidade, grupos, exemplos etc E acho que a partir dessa vise3o de mundo e de experieancias de dor, prazer, desejo, averse3o, construedmos nosso prf3prio repertf3rio de “padrf5es e condicionamentos” Daed que vem o nf3 E aed que he1 a oportunidade de transformar todo esse conhecimento / informae7e3o em sabedoria. Um passo mais ale9m que exige uma compreense3o mais profunda, mais direta (sem tanta teoria com mais observae7e3o direta), mais intuitiva e menos intelectual, isso na minha humilde opinie3o, mas tambe9m baseada em filosofias como budismo, taoedsmo e hinduedsmo JAed vai chegar a parte que estou trabalhando que e9 justamente o questionamento da vise3o ocidental do ego.Que nos diz que penso, logo existo .Assim, sou o que penso.O oriente, diz:Penso, logo teu ego te engana.Olha mais para te conhecer melhor.Esse e9 o salto que acho que ajuda bastante na passagem para o mundo 2.0, no qual a dicotomia entre o ser e o fazer e9 grande.Acredito que a rua sem saedda do penso e logo existo nos leva para o Gandhi: Tens que ser a mudane7a que quer para o mundo .Mas ne3o na desintegrae7e3o, mas na conversa constante e permanente da raze3o e do afeto .conseguindo ne3o precisar chamar o ego para assumir o controle.Apenas intuie7f5es, mas estou lendo Freud para superar esse confilto, vamos ver,que dizes?

    • Simone,vou comentar um lance instretsanee: Se antes todo trabalho era definitivo, hoje temos rascunhos eternos, o que e9 bom. Pena que nem todo mundo que tem um blog faz como vocea, que volta nas discussf5es, faz corree7f5es quando necesse1rio. O que eu vejo por aed e9 muita gente apagando erros como se eles nunca tivessem estado le1… Simone, vou te dizer uma coisa, je1 vi blogs que ve3o deixando os erros marcados. Mudei isso e aquilo e mostro para todo mundo que mudei.Pensei sobre isso, ne3o tanto, nunca ouvi ningue9m defendendo isso, bem ou mal, mas ne3o vejo necessidade disso.Vou le1 mudo, ne3o digo nada a ningue9m.E minha motivae7e3o ne3o e9 esconder, mas apenas ter um texto legal para quem vai lea-lo. Aquele mundo de rabiscos, marcas, etc ne3o gosto, acho que suja o texto.Acredito que seria muito bom ter na ferramenta do blog um histf3rico do post, com as marcas de mudane7a, eu deixaria aberto para o pessoal que quiser ver esse tipo de detalhe.Mas, a meu ver, deve ser te3o pouca gente, te1 todo mundo com pressa e quer o melhor de forma re1pida.Penso assim, aberto a discutir, pois nunca fui confrontado com uma vise3o distinta.Me diga,beijosLili, me1quina de escrever?Pois e9, tamos ficando velhos Beijos

    • c9 muito interessante ftirlar informae7f5es digitais atrave9s da criae7e3o de modelos mentais como vocea sugeriu, Nepf4. E outra forma, que eu uso sempre que preciso pesquisar algo em fontes mais bebedveis , e9 adicionar a palavra blog ao meu assunto pesquisado. Por exemplo: quero saber sobre e1gua. Ente3o, no Google, busco por e1gua blog. Assim, evito os sites da pop meddia que tambe9m discutimos em aula, como UOL e Terra e tento sair da mesmice dos tops da Internet. Sobre o eu vi e eu acho : ainda considero pior os fui eu os eu vi que sf3 divulgam o fato (fofocas ou ne3o) sem aspas, como se tivesse sido ele ( fui eu ) o autor.

    • Quem cria cultura? Se3o as feaenmrrtas ou se3o os humanos q usam as feaenmrrtas, q de3o e0 elas determinada ultilizae7ao?Sendo os humanos, logo, a cultura permanece, desde os primordios da existencia humana numa linha contednua de existencia paralela a estes, sofrendo intervene7oes, transformae7oes, adaptae7oes ao longo de seu convedvio com seu maior interventor, numa simbiose, numa relae7ao de coexisteancia.cultura a servie7o do homem, e nisso se incluem as feaenmrrtas, sejam elas as mais recentes, seja a roda, se3o apenas instrumentos mas quem de1 forma ao produto q delas saire1 e9 quem as usa e penso que e9 por isso q podemos perceber as mudane7as no uso das mesmas como vc citou acima em teu texto.e mtas mudane7as ainda ire3o ocorrer

    • Mil perdf5es, mas eu ne3o entendo o que e9 este beco sem saedda. Ningue9m prrouca criar uma cultura, mas, como vemos na histf3ria da meddia, a cultura e9 que muda a partir de uma nova meddia, ou neste caso, ferramenta.Se he1 novas possibilidades, ente3o ne3o he1 repetie7e3o. Lembre-se de Here1clito.O meu comente1rio refere-se a estre trecho, que, em meu ponto de vista, sintetiza o seu post. A ide9ia de prroucarmos criar uma cultura em torno de dada ferramenta nos levare1 a um beco sem saedda, pois o humano sempre tendere1 a repetir com ela o que je1 faz aqui fora, com novas possibilidades.

    • Oi Leo, a provocae7e3o sobre os 7 bilhf5es cotuinna valendo. Eu sou completamente a favor das pequenas iniciativas, mas ne3o como um lugar de fuga, mas sim um espae7o de projee7e3o para agregar mais pessoas. Je1 conhecemos esses pequenos mundos. Os subfarbios americanos, os shoppings, condomednios fechados e por ai vai. Pra mim, muitas dessas iniciativas se perdem ao criarem as panelas ne3o deixando outros participarem. Tambe9m tem o fato de ne3o adaptarem seus modelos para uma dine2mica com mais pessoas (pessoas vs tempo de resposta). Acho que ate9 a forma de ser solide1rio ainda cotuinna sendo de 1 para 1, mesmo com toda as tecnologias (Desconsidero aqui as grandes trage9dias). Esse pode ser um dos valores que devemos revisitar para esse novo momento. Agir local, mas pensar globalmente , oue7o isso direto em trabalhos sociais, mas essa relae7e3o perde humanidade na diste2ncia (tecnologia). Isso e9 algo que me preocupa e me faz refletir sobre quais novas abordagens devemos ter para aumentar essa humanidade em relae7e3o globalizadas.abrae7os

    • Acho que o Sargento Laci Marinho de Araujo,pode estar certo je1 que para realizar o dedvio Testamento militar previsto pelo artigo -1.893 e1 1.896 o militar tem que afirmar para outro militar para quem ele vai deixa os seus bens e neste momento corre o risco de ser preso pois ao canstatar que o militar e Gay o outro militar deve notificar o seu Comandante que o militar e um infrator da lei militar do artigo 235 do Codigo Penal Militar,para que isto acabe deve ser aprovado na Camara Federal o Projeto de Lei nb0 2.773/2000,que acaba com a prise3o e desqualifica como crime militar o Homossessualismo pois ser Gay e ainda ser um infrator e criminoso no meio militar no Brasil de hoje.Acho que a Comunidade Gay do Brasil deveria pedir a Senadora Marta Suplicy do PT/SP,que veja a possiblidade de aprovar rapidamente do PL-2.773/2000,para acabar com esta perseguie7e3o aos Gays das Fore7as Armadas do Brasil.

    • Tiene que ser muy guapo, aunque prleonasmente prefiero los mamedferos, pocos peces me parecen achuchables . Debe ser que soy me1s de montaf1a.Cada vez que voy a bucear por la costa brava, siempre me asusto con cualquier pececillo medianamente grande que veo, ased que no me imagino que pasareda si me encuentro un tiburf3n ballena, afan sabiendo que no hacen nada.

    • Pior que a mediocridade e9 a mehiqinsarua. “O orgulho, a arroge2ncia e a glf3ria enchem a imaginae7e3o de domednio”. Por muito pouco, ou nada, as pessoas dissimulam, subestimam a inteligeancia alheia e ainda repetem tais comportamentos ate9 virarem he1bitos, padrf5es e trae7os de personalidade. O bom das novas tecnologias e9 que as imposturas intelectuais e e9ticas se3o registradas com mais facilidade. Na rede e9 muito mais fe1cil aplicar “o nada se cria, nada se perde, tudo se transforma”, mas revelar a fonte continua sendo de bom tom. Fiz uma conexe3o mental enquanto ouvia o que Nepf4 dizia: o Darwinismo tambe9m existe na rede. Ainda bem! A teoria da evolue7e3o e o mecanismo de selee7e3o natural foram atualizados pela ciberne9tica e pela cieancia da computae7e3o. Na aparente terra de ningue9m eletrf4nica da Internet, as ide9ias fateis, originais, genuednas, boas, verdadeiras e nobres tere3o mais fore7a para emergir, permanecer e criar o novo do que as ide9ias dos que continuam tentando apenas enganar e “se dar bem” enquanto for possedvel e a qualquer pree7o.

    • Suely, Lucilia, Ze9 Paulo, palavras imoettanrps de ouvir, pois percebo que a solide3o e9 inimiga da sanidade, nada como ter pessoas em torno que nos validam.Esse post acima e9 uma manifestae7e3o contra a invalidae7e3o, ne3o a minha, mas a um projeto que comee7o pelo que li, oue7o e se refore7a a cada dia, incluindo seu depoimento Ze9, de se trata de um ato poledtico de questionamento a um tipo de academia.Lu, a orae7e3o da serenidade diz que temos que ter coragem para as coisas que podemos mudar . E esse tipo de mudane7a ne3o e9 solite1ria, apesar do sofrimento atingir o indedvedduo isolado.Por isso, achei que deveria expor a queste3o, pois me senti bem seguro do que deveria fazer na prova e me espantei com a avaliae7e3o.Procuro ne3o perder o problema que temos que atuar: minimizar as consequeancias danosas e potencializar as positivas que a rede digital traz para a sociedade nesse se9culo que entra.c9 uma atitude filosf3fica.A sobreviveancia, por outro lado, nos empurra para conceder.E este e9 o jogo, ate9 onde vamos para sobreviver e deixar de ser.E nisso vai contida a estrate9gia de poupar para poder ter serenidade em algumas escolhas e independeancia para poder se portar de forma digna em alguns momentos.Acredito que todo corpo que se fecha em si mesmo, como se ne3o pertencesse e devesse mais explicae7f5es a um mundo do lado de fora acaba sendo rejeitado por este.E fica algo transitando meio sem vida, sem importe2ncia, se releve2ncia, sem interfereancia como regra, com honrosas excee7f5es.c9 algo que vai sendo consumido pela falta de energia que circula .procura-se o homogeaneo e ne3o o heterogeaneo, reproduzindo a mesma falta de energia, num cedrculo cada vez mais turvo.c9 isso, agradee7o de corae7e3o as validae7f5es e saibam que alimentam muito ne3o sf3 nesse episf3dio, mas se3o coisas que ficam como refore7o para as difedceis ope7f5es na vida, quando procuramos viver com conscieancia e dignidade a cada momento.PS- Ze9, se a revista x ne3o quis o seu texto, manda para a z se mesmo essa ne3o quer, publica na rede e pacieancia .pensei na frase: Quando a inconsisteancia acha o impasse, muda o discurso; a consisteancia, procura outro pfablico . Valeu,Nepf4.

      • Digo que pensar fora da caixa, virou assntuo. Mas ainda ne3o virou ae7e3o. Pensar fora da caixa e9 o rf3tulo do moderno, do antenado, mesmo que essa pessoa seja exremamente conservadora em seus pontos de vista. Afinal, quem quer ficar para tre1s, ne3o pegar a onda e ficar nadando na praia? As pessoas querem subir na crista, e surfar na nova gerae7e3o 2.0 e 3.0 e 4.0 e aed por diante, nem que seja no discurso. Algo assim: pense fora da caixa, mas vocea, ne3o eu; pense fora da caixa, mas bem longe de mim! hehehe

      • Nepf4, querido. Como o papo e9 hiato, aveporito e volto a comentar aqui depois de uma hiato, tambe9m.Acho que a queste3o que envolve a nova lf3gica pode ser atrelada e0 vontade daqueles que se acostumaram e0 lf3gica da Revolue7e3o Industrial. O que vejo por aed se3o empresas fingindo entrar na revolue7e3o da informae7e3o, mas loucas para manter o status quo que ate9 ente3o imperava.He1 tambe9m a queste3o do tempo para que as pessoas percebam que houve uma mudane7a. Nem todos ainda realmente entendem que uma nova lf3gica este1 sendo instaurada. Isso pode levar mais tempo do que pensamos.Enfim, acho que a nova lf3gica vai acontecer queiram ou ne3o, mas cada um tere1 o seu tempo ou para digered-la ou para engoled-la.Abrae7os e saudades,Fe1bio.

      • Realmente e9 algo para se pensar. Vivenciei isso com mtuios amigos twitteiros no campus party. Ne3o sei e9 porque a maioria era meio maluco por internet, mas o fluxo foi bom (na minha opinie3o). O twitter no tele3o quando bem usado era um espae7o para expressar a opinie3o tanto a favor quanto contra do palestrante. O volume era grande demais e isso, e0s vezes, atrapalhava, mas de uma forma geral achei que foi um novo formato de palestra realmente. Fico imaginando (je1 que minha outra e1rea e9 a safade ale9m do futebol) como seria o comportamento dos me9dicos em uma confereancia com gente twittando durante a apresentae7e3o. Seria bem melhor, eu acho. Parabe9ns, mais uma vez pelo tema. Abs, Cris

      • Joe3o, valeu .Eu blogo por necessidade cntoigiva/afetiva e tambe9m como ferramenta de marketing para ampliar meus clientes. c9 um jogo de ganha-ganha com meus clientes.Ne3o escrevo por encomenda para ningue9m.Ne3o fae7o palestra de grae7a.Ne3o dou consultoria de grae7a.Mas dou de grae7a aquilo que acho que me ajuda como pessoa e me promove como profissional.c9 isso.abrae7os,Nepf4.

    • Meu querido Nepf4,Concordo toealmtnte com o coment da Sarita!Ser diferente de1 trabalho e requer coragem, muita coragem, sobretudo para ne3o ter medo de enfrentar frustrae7f5es e decepe7f5es, que se3o certas para aqueles que optam por ne3o se conformar com a mediocridade.Eu sei que a orae7e3o da serenidade e9 o seu mantra preferido. Mas eu ne3o posso deixar de te dizer que a sua reprovae7e3o me fez lembrar de uma frase que ouvi certa vez do meu orientador do mestrado: vocea ne3o vai conseguir mudar nada estando dentro da instituie7e3o em que vocea trabalha . Na e9poca a frase me bateu muito mal. Hoje, e a cada dia que passa, mais eu concordo com ele.Embora eu saiba que vocea acredite que a sala de aula e9 domednio irrestrito do professor, a resposta dos deuses da UFRJ me de1 mostras que as dimensf5es desse cercadinho ve3o muito mais ale9m do que supf5e a nossa ve3 filosofia Admiro muito a tua disposie7e3o, sobretudo essa, de se expor pre1 curar tuas feridas.Creio que esse episf3dio foi sf3 um teste.Continuo apostando na tua plena disposie7e3o para Ser. E confio que sobreviver havere1 de ser apenas uma decorreancia disto!Em frente Um beijo.

      • Parabe9ns por mais esse rascunho de exeetcnle valor! Ne3o se3o sf3 as palavras e ideias que mudam a todo o momento Nf3s mudamos a cada segundo. Ne3o sou exatamente a mesma de ontem. Finalizando o Livro Presene7a , gostaria de mencionar um trecho: Os pensamentos, disse Nan, `passam um, depois outro, depois outro, dessa forma. A meioria das pessoas ne3o consegue discernir os espae7os entre eles. As pessoas evolueddas aprenderam que os pensamentos mudam a cada momento, a cada segundo. Estamos sempre sendo lubridiados por eles, porque os tomamos pela realidade .

      • Lilian,teremos, ente3o, definir o que seria a e9tica e a moral.Muitas vezes uma este1 atrdeala a outra de forma indevida.He1 que haver um respeito a harmonia entre cada um e o ambiente (o que inclui o outro, os animais, etc) a procura de evitar violeancias .Pergunto o que cada um destes atos que vocea citou gera em termos de violeancia?Dessa resposta temos uma discusse3o + precisa.Concordas?bjs, tks pela visita.Nepf4.

    • Gracias carif1o ohohoh no me lo puedo creer, me has hecho caso. Mirando las fotos menos Okinawa paecre cualquier sitio de cualquier parte del mundo occidental, aparte de USA claro. Pero las fotos muy bien, vas mejorando. No me imagino un ambientador de Obama, eso nada me1s se les puede ocurrir a los yankis. bf Te imaginas llevar a Zapatero en el coche ? sereda como una historia de terror.La foto de la noria en el agua muy bien. Felicitats carif1o-PD .. Escribe me1s, que se te hecha de menos.Bueno yo, el resto no se, pero me gusta leer tus historias.Petonets

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  2. Perfeito! Esse post me pegou quase que por osmose. Por isso eu ne3o canso de citar Philip Kotler qnaudo ele disse assim: Existem treas tipos de empresas (e pessoas). As que fazem as coisas acontecer, as que ficam vendo as coisas acontecer e as que se perguntam: O que aconteceu? Vocea, Nepf4, este1 entre a minoria que tem visto as coisas como elas se3o, parabe9ns.

  3. Ole1 Ne3o creio que possa haver uma adaptae7e3o em nhnuem campo capaz de resolver esse fator irreversedvel.O maior problema de tudo isso e9 que ne3o vemos nhnuema tomada de conscieancia buscando o bem comum, que seria ne3o termos mais filhos biolf3gicos e passarmos a nos preocupar mais com a realidade do vizinho. E a Internet tem servido para afastar mais ainda as pessoas da realidade, deixando-as mais distantes, insensedveis e por que ne3o egoedstas. Je1 que ela e9 a filha desse processo todo, tem a cara dos pais.Nem se fizermos 50 vezes ao meas a Hora do Planeta podemos mudar a realidade ecolf3gica no mundo, a fanica forma seria ter conscieancia que ter filhos e quer consumir mais ale9m de manter a distancia de outros seres-humanos e9 destrutivo a nossa civilizae7e3o.Mas como o ser-humano aprende por conscieancia ou pela dor, creio que nessa frase de Buda, podemos ver esse processo trazer a segunda ope7e3o a tona, infelizmente.Abrae7o e parabe9ns pelo trabalho, muito fatil, mesmo. Obrigado!Rodrigo

  4. Bom, sobre a chegada de uma nova cizilivae7e3o, achei aqui je1 de algum tempo a Vejam os trechos principais:Uma mudane7a de cizilivae7e3oPor Miguel Conde em 20/4/2010Como o senhor acredita que deve ser feita a transie7e3o de veedculos prestigiados como o El Paeds para a internet?J.L.C. – Os editores de jornais team um problema. He1 sinais preocupantes de que a imprensa este1 chegando ao fim. As circulae7f5es diminuem, a publicidade tambe9m.Creio que estamos cometendo um erro fundamental, de supor que exista um modo de transplantar o jornal para a web, e que por termos tido eaxito fora da web vamos ter tambe9m na web. A web e9 um fenf4meno totalmente diferente.Em que sentido?J.L.C. – A diferene7a fundamental e9 que um jornal e9 um universo fechado, onde da primeira e0 faltima pe1gina se oferece uma certa edie7e3o do mundo. He1 uma cumplicidade intelectual entre o leitor e o jornal. O leitor na web se comporta de maneira diferente. Vai do Globo ao New York Times e de le1 para o Pravda. c9 um ambiente aberto. Por isso me parece equivocada a ideia de transplantar os jornais para a web. Outra coisa e9 a utilizae7e3o das marcas. Isso ainda se este1 por ver, talvez possa funcionar.Outra diferene7a importante e9 que os sites team sistemas de medie7e3o de audieancia muito mais precisos e constantes do que os dos meios impressos. Isso cria novas pressf5es sobre a linha editorial, ne3o?J.L.C. – c9 verdade, e ne3o sei se isso e9 um problema. O que e9 certo e9 que a informae7e3o de qualidade este1 ameae7ada. Ne3o e9 fe1cil distinguir na web o que e9 rigoroso e verdadeiro do que e9 bullshit, como dizem os americanos. O problema e9 entendermos que estamos diante de uma mudane7a de cizilivae7e3o. Assim como os monaste9rios perderam o poder intelectual que tinham apf3s a aparie7e3o da prensa mf3vel, hoje o poder informativo ne3o e9 mais apenas dos jornais e editoras. A estrutura informativa como a conhecedamos pertence agora ao Antigo Regime. Ne3o digo que o novo seja absolutamente bom, e que a tradie7e3o seja totalmente rechae7e1vel. He1 valores que e9 preciso resguardar, como os direitos humanos, o direito e0 propriedade intelectual. Mas temos que reconhecer que mudou.Em seu livro o senhor cita uma frase dita pelo magnata da meddia Rupert Murdoch em 1980: nosso negf3cio e9 o entretenimento . Esse e9 um valor hoje muito defendido pelos consultores que fazem palestras sobre o futuro do jornalismo.J.L.C. – Nada e9 absolutamente novo na vida e toda revolue7e3o tem uma contrarrevolue7e3o nas tripas. O que trato de dizer e9 que o essencial e9 compreender essa mudane7a estrutural. Ne3o e9 saber se estamos diante de uma onda de trivialidade da informae7e3o ou ne3o. O problema e9 que antes uns emitiam e outros recebiam. c9ramos os se1bios que comunicavam aos ignorantes. Algo disso tem que ser mantido, e9 preciso que se possa distinguir as verdades de mentiras. Mas a queste3o e9 como devem se comportar, num mundo desintermediado , uma coisa chamada meios de comunicae7e3o.E como devem agir?J.L.C. – O primeiro que temos que fazer e9 reconhecer o que este1 acontecendo. Ne3o digo que os jornais ve3o desaparecer, mas digo que podem desaparecer. Para mim, o problema e9 estrutural. Na sociedade da comunicae7e3o, existe espae7o para jornalistas? Isso este1 relacionado e0 crise da democracia representativa. Hoje os prf3prios partidos poledticos desaparecem frente e0s iniciativas da sociedade digital, e os ledderes poledticos por sua vez buscam se relacionar diretamente com o povo. He1 uma tendeancia e0 democracia direta, plebiscite1ria. O que ne3o sei e9 o que3o democre1tica e9 a democracia participativa.E quanto e0 discusse3o sobre cobrar ou ne3o cobrar pelo contefado?J.L.C. – Je1 tivemos o modelo gratuito, o pago e voltamos ao gratuito. Para nf3s hoje a queste3o ne3o e9 cobrar ou ne3o cobrar, mas saber o que e9 um jornal na rede, e de que maneira levar as marcas para o mundo digital. He1 um fato que todos citam, mas poucos levam a se9rio: a economia da rede e9 uma economia de demanda, enquanto todos os meios de comunicae7e3o hoje este3o baseados numa economia de oferta. Os jornais se dirigem a um certo perfil geral de leitor, e ne3o ao leitor individualmente. Buscamos um modelo de edie7f5es personalizadas. Isso ne3o significa deixar de ajude1-lo e oriente1-lo. c9 complicado. Ne3o tenho as respostas. Ne3o sei sequer se tenho as perguntas. Mas creio que e9 muito importante tentarmos fazer as perguntas certas.

  5. c9 isso aed, Nepf4! (falei que eu ia radicalizar! Forcei um pouco a barra mas e9 isso mesmo que vocea coilcunu. O foco ne3o e9 a definie7e3o em si da ferramenta mas a esseancia da motivae7e3o que teve o blogueiro. Decidiu comee7ar um blog por quea? Porque a empresa disponibilizou e convidou a fazer? Ne3o deve sair nada de aproveite1vel daed a comee7ar pela auto-censura que isso vai gerar nas pessoas. Outra coisa, as empresas 1.0 sempre contrataram pessoas para produzirem (e a cobrane7a e9 cada vez maior), daed, de repente, do nada, vem com esse papo pessoal, vamos parar um pouco de produzir e dialogar um pouco (mas ne3o muito!) ???Desse mato ne3o sai coelho! Isso me lembra a frase hay govierno? Soy contra! (sf3 que aqui e9 empresa ao inve9s de governo).Die1logo e inovae7e3o ne3o se3o produzidos em linha de montagem. Para isso vocea precisa dos corae7f5es das pessoas e as empresas sf3 contratam brae7os (obs: vocea provocou, te1 aed minhas bobagens eheheh)Abrae7os!

    • Eu sou dramaturgo e minha irme3 e9 astrf4noma e nos 20 e pouco anos em q coovevimns compreendemos o quanto existem mais intersee7f5es que rupturas nas aparentemente divergentes linhas de pensamento (Fedsica Que2ntica e9 um prato cheio para uma pee7a sobre o tempo).Isso tudo pra dizer que quando escrevi em 1999 a pee7a Quer Tc? , que era uma come9dia de costumes, um retrato simples de uma sociedade q se encontra em um determinado ponto evolutivo diante de um avane7o tecnolf3gico que viria a influenciar de forma considere1vel o campo das relae7f5es humanas, achei sinceramente que estava produzindo um trabalho artedstico que encontraria intersee7e3o com ve1rios outros campos do pensamento.Hoje, papear sobre os avane7os tecnolf3gicos, principalmente a Internet, e9 desgastante por que no geral, existe uma espetacularizae7e3o sobre o tema, mas ler esse post me deu um certo conforto, diminuiu minha arroge2ncia (ao me achar o fanico a pensar de forma metalingfcistica a queste3o da tecnologia) e fez com que me sentisse menos ilha .

  6. Veja, caro, eu concordo com vocea.O pborlema e9 que existe uma massa enorme de pessoas que realmente querem se manterem vinculadas ao passado, e as sugestf5es de que essa ligae7e3o leva e0 desarmonia sf3 as faz tornarem-se mais resistentes e apegadas a sua vise3o de mundo. Estou falando dos tradicionalistas de todas as tribos: parte da humanidade ainda ne3o se conformou com a superae7e3o da sociedade tradicional. Do meu ponto de vista, o caminho e9 respeite1-los afinal, quem sou eu para convencer outra pessoa de que a modernidade nos trouxe a um mundo melhor. Mas ne3o e9 fe1cil conviver com o fato de que a minha forma de viver ne3o e9 reconhecida como legedtima pelo olhar de parte dos tradicionalistas.seria te3o bom se ff4sse menos complicado abe7os

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